In this conversation, I sit down with composer and church musician Nicholas Reeves to explore one of the great mysteries: music. Why does music move us so deeply? How does it reflect symbolic patterns in reality? We discuss the ancient and modern roles of music—from sacred liturgies to EDM dance floors—and ask whether the liturgy might be the ultimate artwork. We also dive into the contrasts between order and chaos in sound, the compression of human experience, and the sacred role of communal participation in worship. This discussion really opened new paths for me—I hope it does the same for you. Nicholas’s work can be found at: https://www.nicholasreevesmusic.com

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Timestamps: 00:00 - Coming up 01:29 - Intro music 01:55 - Introduction 02:50 - Understanding ourselves through music 10:22 - The human voice 18:56 - Rhythm 21:11 - Dance and what music is 24:40 - Variety and sameness 32:08 - Reinventing yourself 35:21 - Church music 43:57 - Continuity 46:56 - Moments in liturgy 49:30 - Music in America 54:54 - The complete work of art 59:14 - Making pop culture more participative

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